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Man who tried to dictate Muslim dress code refused entry to France
Knoxville Times Wednesday 3rd February, 2010
The French government has refused to grant citizenship to a man who forced his wife to wear the full Islamic veil.
The Muslim man had to acquire citizenship to be able to join his French wife.
But the French parliament has proposed a partial ban on full veils and has ordered that practitioners of radical religious practices should be carefully screened for citizenship.
The French Immigration Department has said the certificate of citizenship was refused when it emerged the man had ordered his wife to cover herself with a head-to-toe veil.
The department has stressed that French law requires anyone seeking naturalisation to demonstrate their desire for integration.
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| By Anonymous, 02-03-10, 01:22 PM |
Muslim refused entry to France over wife dominationI’m not against black outfits but something has to be done. Thing is do i feel safe with the outfits around with whats happend. Guess not. These people need to go back where its normal. Surely thats common sense |
| By Sir Ron, 02-03-10, 02:27 PM |
When in RomeI applaud the French government for sticking to their convictions. |
| By secret slave, 02-03-10, 03:53 PM |
Should a immunity letter be required prior to work?salaam,
Do the husband need immunity letter?
feeamanellaah |
| By vmen, 02-03-10, 04:04 PM |
this men will create trouble just matter of timefrench is stupid to add those kind of stupid men as citizen. there are too many muslims that already make french less competitive because those muslims usually don’t contribute to french development but problem with religion and culture. burqa possesed threats to french culture and muslims population never advance in technology and tends make problems with french goverment. so the decision of the french goverment to refused his citizenship is very wise |
| By Hitler, 02-03-10, 06:06 PM |
Muslims must be wipe out totallyBring muslims into the stone age.
Mecca and Medina must now be named
- Karachistan - with load of pussies, drugs,
and pimps like great Nevada. |
| By goomba, 02-03-10, 09:59 PM |
| if you want to wear hijab go back to hijab country |
| By Anonymous, 02-03-10, 10:40 PM |
Hey, that is free expression you are going againstSo, free expression is only for western pracices, no no if it is not? Free speech and Free expression actually mean Free only if it is our way. What a bunch of hypocrite. |
| By Anonymous, 02-03-10, 11:39 PM |
| free expression only exists if you don’t tell anybody about what you think.There is no place for it in a socialist world.We must be stereotyped and controled.You know what is really scarey is the fact that people readily accept it. |
| By goomba, 02-04-10, 02:27 AM |
| I freely express that all muslim men should wear the full veil. there is no more stereotyped and controlled practice than forcing people to wear a dehumanising black costume that takes away their individuality |
| By Suliman, 02-04-10, 03:23 AM |
Morals in societyYou dress your women as Brittney Spears and Madonna and make your daughters to mock pig eating whores and wish us to do as you do by the teachings of the prophet PBUH we will go our way you go yours. |
| By goomba, 02-04-10, 03:44 AM |
| fine - go your way - do it in your stinking loser countries and dont go to the west. lock up your minds forever in medieval nonsense. why do thousands of muslims try to get into the west and not vice versa? freedom, choice, the rule of law, safety, opportunity, the list goes on. I know which one i;d rather have. |
| By nregistered, 02-05-10, 08:52 PM |
Your wrong
Suliman;184079: You dress your women as Brittney Spears and Madonna and make your daughters to mock pig eating whores and wish us to do as you do by the teachings of the prophet PBUH we will go our way you go yours.
In western society women are not forced to wear anything.
There is nothign wrong with a western country sayiong NO to Viels and circus tents on women!
In your society they are forced to wear this prison!
If you don’t like it go back to the cess pool you left.
Go France!
The next thing you need to do is make them all swear allegience to France or be deported. |
| By Tomahawk, 02-04-10, 07:24 AM |
Morals in societyHey Sulliman! Sounds to me like you do a fair bit of hankerin over our pig eating whores, don’t you?. You and all your brothers like them a lot too, don’t you?
I bet when one of our pig eating whores gets hold of you rabbit minded muslim radicals and gives you a sexual spanking in the sack, you love it!! don’t you?
Let’s face it, that’s why you people come to the west so you rabbit minded men can enjoy our women with impunity in your so called religion and it’s gotta beat being seen with a woman in a Ned Kelly outfit! Truth is, that’s why you hide behind your religion and shield your women because the reality is you know you can’t be trusted, so why should you trust your women!! When I see one of these women in the street, I pity her, but I feel more disgusted at the so called 'man’with her and I think to myself, 'Now there’s a coward if there ever was one'!
The whole of the western world should ban the burqa, it is an insult to people in the west to see women treated as second class citizens in the name of some fool religion. If these cowards don’t like it then don’t come to the west or go back home to your buildings in ruins and keep looking over your shoulder for the next bomb to go off! Well done France! |
| By Unreg.1(devil advocate), 02-04-10, 09:27 AM |
No Burkas-then....No security forces in belaclavas, no school uniforms, no police uniforms, no army uniforms, no band uniforms, no doorman uniforms, bus driver uniforms etc all are forms of oppression and of control over free individuals- we just will not tolerate any form of uniforms-RIGHT GUYS! If not then were just picking on the muslim religion! Heck by casting such a wide net the women who’ve never been in public without a burka and want to wear one will be forced not to! How tramatising will that be for them?? Can we also outlaw the Bra & Pants-now that has possibilities! :0) |
| By Tomahawk, 02-04-10, 09:58 AM |
By Unreg.1(devil advocate), 02-04-10, 09:27 AMYour a dickhead mate!! Since when are people forced to wear the uniforms you mention above? How are people oppressed and controlled and have their free individual status altered by these uniforms? Apart from young students, all these uniforms are worn by people who choose to undertake the occupation that comes with the uniform. It’s this simple, the job comes with a uniform, take it or leave it! For everyone that feels as you do about uniforms there is hundreds who will willing wear it with pride but if I went to some middle eastern countries, my wife would not be able to show her face in public and being of no religious denomination, how traumatising would that be for her? So the moral of the story is 'when in Rome' and knowing that, we wouldn’t go to their shit hole barbaric countries in the first place! They should do the same. |
| By Rajul, 02-04-10, 10:20 AM |
stay thereOk, Tomahawk, let’s all remain in our countries. what the hell are americans and europeans doing in afghanistan and iraq? |
| By Rajul, 02-04-10, 10:24 AM |
if uniform makes sense...Does it make sense that uniforms are worn by people who chose the occupation that come with a uniform? Then it makes more sense that veils are worn by ladies who chose to embrace the religion that comes with the veil. |
| By Tomahawk, 02-04-10, 10:44 AM |
By Rajul, 02-04-10, 10:20 AMBeats me! I don’t agree with it either. Why would Iraq not want saddam hussein? Why does afghanistan put up with the taliban? Why would these countries that have always had murdering dictators as leaders want a democracy? You know, government by the people for the people and separation of church from state. Why should that be forced upon them? We all know that after the americans and europeans have gone another dictator will rise in iraq and the murdering of innocent women and children will continue by their own people as has happened there for hundreds of years. We all know that as soon as they leave afghanistan the taliban will overrun the newly formed government and start butchering people in the name of sharia law. Why would the americans and europeans want to stop that?
Damn good question!! |
| By Tomahawk, 02-04-10, 10:49 AM |
By Rajul, 02-04-10, 10:24 AMWe all know that women who wear the burqa don’t do it by choice. They are not given a choice, they suffer from Stockholm syndrome because it has been brain washed into them since birth with the fear of death as a motivator. Go figure! |
| By Rajul, 02-05-10, 12:31 PM |
Bloody democratsLying and murder is part of your life. You entered Iraq on the false claim that Saddam has WMD. You are now lying that taliban butchers people. How many innocent children and women were killed by you in Iraq, Afgahanistan and Pakistan since 2001? Again you shamelessly support zionist aggression against palestinians. Bloody democrats!! |
| By Pontotoc Bill, 02-05-10, 07:59 PM |
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Rajul;184366: Lying and murder is part of your life. You entered Iraq on the false claim that Saddam has WMD. You are now lying that taliban butchers people. How many innocent children and women were killed by you in Iraq, Afgahanistan and Pakistan since 2001? Again you shamelessly support zionist aggression against palestinians. Bloody democrats!!
And you are FULL of bull manure, Rajul. Saddam DID have WMDs, just not the amount thought by the world. The Taliban ARE murdering thugs who butcher those who disagree. The innocents in the countries you mention are primarily dead because of ISLAMIC criminals who murder innocents. And there is NO Israeli aggression against Palestinians that was NOT started by Palestinians first.
Try to get a real education instead of the one based on the lies of Islam that you depend on. |
| By Rajul, 02-06-10, 04:30 AM |
By Pontotoc BillYou are only confirming what I said earlier, Bill. After the massacre of innocent Iraqis, you FAILED to show the world any WMD owned by Saddam. On the contrary, the illegal zionist entity has WMDs as per the jewish own confession, yet the hypocritical west did not do anything about it. Israel is an illegal entity and should be WIPED off the map. By the grace of Allah, that will come to pass. It is just a matter of time. |
| By Pontotoc Bill, 02-08-10, 09:30 PM |
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Rajul;184490: You are only confirming what I said earlier, Bill. After the massacre of innocent Iraqis, you FAILED to show the world any WMD owned by Saddam. On the contrary, the illegal zionist entity has WMDs as per the jewish own confession, yet the hypocritical west did not do anything about it. Israel is an illegal entity and should be WIPED off the map. By the grace of Allah, that will come to pass. It is just a matter of time.
And YOU failed to read history, mental midget. Saddam DID possess WMDs, just less than thought. Shells with nerve agents were recovered.
And as for Israel being an illegal entity, that is a good laugh. Israel is no more illegal than Jordan, Iraq, or Syria. Palestine is the non-entity. There has NEVER been a nation of Palestine in the history of the Middle East.
You have done nothing but swilled the lies of your imams who teach a false history and a false religion. It is only a matter of time when Islam will be exposed for the lies that it is based upon.
Try again, little jihadist. |
| By nregistered, 02-08-10, 09:48 PM |
You nincompoop
Rajul;184490: You are only confirming what I said earlier, Bill. After the massacre of innocent Iraqis, you FAILED to show the world any WMD owned by Saddam. On the contrary, the illegal zionist entity has WMDs as per the jewish own confession, yet the hypocritical west did not do anything about it. Israel is an illegal entity and should be WIPED off the map. By the grace of Allah, that will come to pass. It is just a matter of time.
I see idiots like you post the above nonsense!
Your wrong!
For years, the media and Democrats have sold the public an understanding that Gerorge W. Bush fabricated a story that Saddam Hussein had a WMD program in order to justify invading Iraq, which invasion then becomes “based on a lie."
About 550 metric tons of yellowcake concentrated uranium were recently shipped out of Iraq. It had been part of Saddam Hussein’s nuclear program. That much was recently reported by the Associated Press . I wrote an article for American Thinker that commented on that story the day it appeared.
That yellowcake stockpile pre-dated 1991, and had been under the UN’s International Atomic Energy Agency “safeguard” from then until 2003. That was mentioned in the AP article and I mentioned it in the update to my article the day it was published. In fact, American Thinker contributors Douglas Hanson and Rick Moran had written about that yellowcake stockpile years ago here, here and here. Douglas Hanson reported four years ago:
“Professor Norman Dombey, professor of theoretical physics at the University of Sussex, England, has confirmed that Saddam Hussein had more than enough yellowcake uranium to make over 100 nuclear weapons."
The recent AP story was not news with respect to the existence of this stockpile in Iraq to those who follow such things closely. But I’m sure many readers had never been aware of this large stockpile of yellowcake in Iraq at all. This new AP story, and perhaps my article, helped get that information out. As Investor’s Business Daily more recently put it , “Seems to us this should be big news," but “the mainstream media find it inconveniently contradicts the story they have been telling you for years."
Also, this new story reminded even those aware of its existence of what a huge and dangerous stockpile it was. First, it took 37 military flights to ship it from Baghdad to Diego Garcia. Even when not processed into nuclear weapons, it was dangerous in its own right, being radioactive. It could also be used in other methods of spreading radiation short of full nuclear bombs. The AP story explained the logistical nightmare of simply transporting it. It also cited the fear of it falling into the hands of insurgents. That is how dangerous it was when we were in control of it.
However, some readers have noted its “old news” aspect. One wrote the American Thinker as follows.
“Of course there was lots of yellow cake in Iraq . Those news orgs you so dislike reported five years ago on how tons of it was just sitting out in the open in Tawaitha. It was so accessible that the locals were looting the site. Most of the articles at that time were critical of the lack of security from U.S. troops for the former nuclear development site. Please note the word former...it’s pretty important since former was the word you could use in 2000 as well. Anyway, that isn’t news. Neither is the fact that Saddam had delivery mechanisms. However, he did not have an active nuclear weapons program, unless one means the capacity to deliver one or two dirty bombs (which the yellow cake couldn’t be used for, btw, because it is basically an inert compound). But even dirty bombs aren’t a particularly scary threat, since you or I or anyone else could buy materials for dirty bombs at Home Depot. But Saddam just didn’t have the resources to do anything more than that due to IAEA inspections and other international efforts. In fact, he didn’t have any technology or raw materials dating anytime after 1991. He was technologically impotent. Which means the UN’s efforts, so belittled by the Bush administration in the ramp-up to invasion (as well as by revisionist neocon historians...?) had worked exactly as intended. So the “American Thinker” article is really a great example of precisely the distorted sort of ranting that it tries to claim is nobly contrary to popular sentiment but somehow true. But it’s not true. It’s simply bizarre."
I believe the dirty bomb scenario is irrelevant here. Saddam could have had an active program without having anything in production or deliverable at all. A weapon program is not a weapon; it is a program — it means the potential for future weapons. This distinction seems to get lost way too often.
I also believe it is way too naive to think being under IAEA safeguard really means “safe”. First, Saddam continually defied the IAEA as it was; that was a reason for multiple UN resolutions to sanction him. Second, the IAEA got what little respect it did from Saddam because the U.S. was backing it up with about 150,000 troops on the ready nearby. Third, Saddam was using oil-for-food money to bribe away the sanctions and inspection regime (see the Duelfer Report). Fourth, why didn’t the IAEA make Saddam get rid of it? In short, the IAEA was no guarantee that Saddam would keep his hands off that stockpile in the near future, or that he was keeping away from it even then.
But a question remains: Was Saddam’s nuclear weapon program active at the time of our invasion in 2003? As IBD puts it, this yellowcake stockpile “more or less proves Saddam in 2003 had a program on hold for building WMD and that he planned to boot it up again soon."
Is a program that is “on hold” not an “active” program? Does it matter? After all, a “program” is not currently deliverable WMD; it is the potential of future WMD. In turn, a program “on hold” just pushes the date of deliverable WMD a little more into the future. How tightly do you want to time defending yourself against incoming WMD? (To many critics, there just never seems to be a good time. From the time WMD are in development to the time nuclear missiles are inbound, these critics just can’t seem to find an appropriate window of opportunity to defend against them.)
But let me get back to the question of whether Saddam had an active nuclear program in 2003, in the strong sense of the word “active”. The recent AP story on the shipment of the stockpile to Canada does not let us conclude anything one way or the other on that. But that does not mean that Saddam did not have an active WMD program in 2003. Nor does it mean the 550 tons of yellowcake were “safe”, even if under UN “safeguard”. Nor does it mean we had nothing to worry about from Saddam regarding WMD in 2003. It simply means, as it always did, that in 2003 Saddam was sitting on enough yellowcake to make more than 100 nuclear weapons.
While some read the Duelfer Report as conclusive and definitive (meaning no nuclear program in 2003, period), read its “findings” closely. Duelfer states that “Iraq’s ability to reconstitute a nuclear weapons program progressively decayed” after 1991, and the “ISG found no evidence to suggest concerted efforts to restart the program."
A “decayed” ability does not mean non-existent. Finding “no evidence” does not mean no existence. And why would an effort need to be “concerted?" (Always beware of adjectives in executive summaries.) Duelfer also reports “Iraq took steps to conceal key elements of its program." In the nuclear section of the Duelfer report, the word “looted” is found 28 times, as in “U.S. military forces found Al-Athir abandoned and heavily looted. ISG visited and found no evidence of uranium conversion activities."
I do not think it “bizarre” that the Saddam regime, one that had once had WMD programs and deployable chemical weapons (which are WMD), a government that had defied UN inspectors multiple times, and one that “took steps to conceal” its WMD programs, might just clear out evidence of its programs — those areas that were “looted” — once it was likely they would fall into the hands of the U.S. Coalition. As I have said before , Eliot Ness also found “no evidence” in Al Capone’s hotel room.
Frankly, I don’t know for sure what is true. Saddam might have had ready-to-go WMD, but they were hidden or taken to another country by the time our CIA inspectors showed up in Iraq. (Duelfer says “we cannot express a firm view on the possibility that WMD elements were relocated out of Iraq prior to the war.") Saddam might have had active programs, but they were concealed at the time, with the evidence destroyed (“looted”) by March 2003. Or maybe he really did put all his programs on hiatus by 2003. But even Charles Duelfer concluded that Saddam had every intention of getting back into the WMD business as soon as he could end the sanctions regime, which he was busy doing with oil-for-food bribes.
I think it neither illogical nor bizarre to think Saddam had WMD or WMD programs in 2003. I still believe he did, in a “preponderance of the evidence” sense. And I believe, beyond a reasonable doubt, that he would have been back in the WMD business by now, if not by 2004, had we not invaded.
That he sat on 550 metric tons of yellowcake under UN “safeguard” is about as comforting to me as knowing the convicted child rapist next door has a case of duct tape (dual use, by the way) that the police check up on every week.
You have been educated now don’t be obtuse anymore.
Oh and Iraqis and fellow Muslims have murdered each other for 1,000 years over Shiite vs Sunni rights of power and succession to the tune of almost 1 million new dead thansk to Muslim suicide and remote detonating bombs.
Blame fellow Muslims for the bad behavior and hatreds not Americans. |
| By Rajul, 02-09-10, 09:59 AM |
Shameless Pig!!You swine!!! You spent a long time contradicting yourself, but you have not spoken on the irresponsible and illegal settler entity that zionists are. They have WMDs, they have confessed! What are you hypocrites doing about it? |
| By Rajul, 02-09-10, 10:53 AM |
Islam is TruthBill
Islam is not based on lies. It is based on the true message from our creator, the creator of all that exists. The Qur’an, which contains the absolute truth from our lord has been revealed more than 1400 years ago and it is still fresh as it was revealed. This is why Islam remains the only true religion. All those who fought Islam throughout history ended up either frustrated or guided to accept the eternal message. America, Britain, France, etc. are only repeating what others did before them and failed. Islam remains solid and strong for as long as there is the Qur’an and Qur’an is being protected by Allah and there is NOTHING you or anybody can do to change or replace it.
I invite you and others like you to come and embrace Islam for noone can be saved except through it. Allah says: |
| By Pontotoc Bill, 02-09-10, 06:31 PM |
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Rajul;185046: You swine!!! You spent a long time contradicting yourself, but you have not spoken on the irresponsible and illegal settler entity that zionists are. They have WMDs, they have confessed! What are you hypocrites doing about it?
You lie yet again, mental midget. I did show you that Israel was created by the United Nations just like modern Jordan, Syria, Iraq, etc were created by the League of Nations.
Palestine has NEVER been a nation. To call Israel illegal is the height of stupidity, dog.
As for any WMDs in the hands of Israel, well, Israel has NEVER threatened to destroy other nations like Iran has.
Try again, little boy. |
| By Rajul, 02-09-10, 11:03 AM |
Yes, it is the TruthI can see that the Qur’anic verse is somehow not being displayed. It remains the truth. Please go to the nearest Islamic centre and enquire about Islam before it is too late. Do not be carried away by what you read and hear from its enemies. May Allah guide you. Please accept my sympathy. |
| By Pontotoc Bill, 02-09-10, 06:29 PM |
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Rajul;185055: Bill
Islam is not based on lies. It is based on the true message from our creator, the creator of all that exists. The Qur’an, which contains the absolute truth from our lord has been revealed more than 1400 years ago and it is still fresh as it was revealed. This is why Islam remains the only true religion. All those who fought Islam throughout history ended up either frustrated or guided to accept the eternal message. America, Britain, France, etc. are only repeating what others did before them and failed. Islam remains solid and strong for as long as there is the Qur’an and Qur’an is being protected by Allah and there is NOTHING you or anybody can do to change or replace it.
I invite you and others like you to come and embrace Islam for noone can be saved except through it. Allah says:
The quran is nothing but a bunch of lies written down by a child molesting pervert named Muhammed.
You fail to support your demonic religion, Rajul.
Do NOT try to convince me as I have studied Islam enough to see the lies and hatred within. |
| By galljdaj, 02-09-10, 04:02 PM |
pffft
Rajul;185057: I can see that the Qur’anic verse is somehow not being displayed. It remains the truth. Please go to the nearest Islamic centre and enquire about Islam before it is too late. Do not be carried away by what you read and hear from its enemies. May Allah guide you. Please accept my sympathy.
Why is the Koran a rip off of the Torah?
Why did mad moe think he was possessed in that little cave!
Why did he lie and say he took a flying trip to Jerusalem?
Why are you so brainwashed?
Why are all Muslim countries dirt poor unless they have oil?
If Islam was the truth then why do Muslims get so angry when others point out how disastrous following Islam is? |
| By Pontotoc Bill, 02-09-10, 06:39 PM |
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Rajul;185057: I can see that the Qur’anic verse is somehow not being displayed. It remains the truth. Please go to the nearest Islamic centre and enquire about Islam before it is too late. Do not be carried away by what you read and hear from its enemies. May Allah guide you. Please accept my sympathy.
My sympathy and heartfelt hurt to you for you knowingly following a false religion. Islam was created by a pervert, criminal, thief, murderer, rapist, slaver, and all round bad boy who was in conversation with demons. He wrote his religion to excuse his perversions and hatreds which the demons gave him permission.
Hint: The Angel that Mad Moe met and who “gave” the quran to Mad Moe was who? The Angel of Light, Lucifer. Lucifer is also the Prince of Lies and the Master of this World. Lucifer is better known as Satan. Therefore, Mad Moe wrote from the lips of Satan and Mad Moe worshipped Satan. |
| By Rajul, 02-10-10, 03:25 AM |
The Truth Does not ChangeBill, worse things have been said about the most eminent person that ever lived and anytime those insults are made, his eminence becomes even more conspicuous. He remains the last and final messenger of Allah, the Most High. Insulting the chosen angels of Allah did not start now either. Qur’an was revealed through angel Jibril and it remains the only valid word of our omnipotent creator on earth today. The challenge is open to any person or group who doubts its originality from Allah to produce a similar book or alter it. The attack on Islam by British, French and the anti-Islamic west did not start today. They killed many Islamic scholars and burnt copies of the Qur’an and Islamic literature during their colonization of Muslim countries, all with a view to obliterating Islam. Yet, nothing has changed. Islam remains their major headache. It is solid, strong and ever growing fast. Could it have come from devil? I have no power to guide anyone. It is Allah Who guides. I pray to Him to guide you. |
| By Rajul, 02-10-10, 11:01 AM |
By galljdajTaurah, Injil and Qur’an are from the same source. It is our creator who chose some among His servants and sent down His books to them. We Muslims respect and believe in all of them and their messages. Jewish scholars betrayed the messengers sent to them. They were disobedient to Musa (Moses) and they rejected Isa (Jesus) and called him names. They tampered with the message of Allah sent to them to suit their worldly personal interests. Allah sent down the the Qur’an to His most eminent servant and He promised to protect it from the machinations of the Jews and those who tread their path. That is why it remains the only true living unaltered message of Allah and it will remain so forever. When Muhammad (Peace be Upon Him) ascended to the heaven through Baitil Maqdis (Jerusalem) his own people did not believe and subjected him to a test which he passed. Please read history. Eternal prosperity is not determined by the amount of wealth an individual or a nation amass. It is solely acquired by fear of the Almighty. We Muslims frown at any kind of disrespect for religion. We don’t insult Holy personalities like the ones I mentioned above and we dislike to see people doing it. May Allah guide you. Amin. |
| By Pontotoc Bill, 02-10-10, 06:11 PM |
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Rajul;185193: Bill, worse things have been said about the most eminent person that ever lived and anytime those insults are made, his eminence becomes even more conspicuous. He remains the last and final messenger of Allah, the Most High. Insulting the chosen angels of Allah did not start now either. Qur’an was revealed through angel Jibril and it remains the only valid word of our omnipotent creator on earth today. The challenge is open to any person or group who doubts its originality from Allah to produce a similar book or alter it. The attack on Islam by British, French and the anti-Islamic west did not start today. They killed many Islamic scholars and burnt copies of the Qur’an and Islamic literature during their colonization of Muslim countries, all with a view to obliterating Islam. Yet, nothing has changed. Islam remains their major headache. It is solid, strong and ever growing fast. Could it have come from devil? I have no power to guide anyone. It is Allah Who guides. I pray to Him to guide you.
The quran was reveiled by Satan posing as an angel from God. Actually, Satan is an angel, just a fallen angel.
Rebut these claims about Mad Mo, your “prophet”:
I accuse Muhammad of being:
[FONT=Verdana][FONT=Symbol]· [/FONT]a narcissist[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana][FONT=Symbol]· [/FONT]a misogynist[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana][FONT=Symbol]· [/FONT]a rapist[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana][FONT=Symbol]· [/FONT]a pedophile[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana][FONT=Symbol]· [/FONT]a lecher[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana][FONT=Symbol]· [/FONT]a torturer[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana][FONT=Symbol]· [/FONT] mass murderer[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana][FONT=Symbol]· [/FONT]a cult leader[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana][FONT=Symbol]· [/FONT]an assassin[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana][FONT=Symbol]· [/FONT]a terrorist[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana][FONT=Symbol]· [/FONT]a mad man[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana][/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black]Any valid proof that he was not? [COLOR=black]Moral relativism and situational ethics are not acceptable for defense.[/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black]Your prophet is roasting in the depths of HELL for his crimes against humanity.[/COLOR][/FONT] |
| By Pontotoc Bill, 02-10-10, 06:20 PM |
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Rajul;185233: Taurah, Injil and Qur’an are from the same source. It is our creator who chose some among His servants and sent down His books to them. We Muslims respect and believe in all of them and their messages. Jewish scholars betrayed the messengers sent to them. They were disobedient to Musa (Moses) and they rejected Isa (Jesus) and called him names. They tampered with the message of Allah sent to them to suit their worldly personal interests. Allah sent down the the Qur’an to His most eminent servant and He promised to protect it from the machinations of the Jews and those who tread their path. That is why it remains the only true living unaltered message of Allah and it will remain so forever. When Muhammad (Peace be Upon Him) ascended to the heaven through Baitil Maqdis (Jerusalem) his own people did not believe and subjected him to a test which he passed. Please read history. Eternal prosperity is not determined by the amount of wealth an individual or a nation amass. It is solely acquired by fear of the Almighty. We Muslims frown at any kind of disrespect for religion. We don’t insult Holy personalities like the ones I mentioned above and we dislike to see people doing it. May Allah guide you. Amin.
But Muslims take every opportunity to insult other religions. Muslims insult Jesus Christ and the G-d of the Jews all the time. So, don’t LIE like you are in the last couple of sentences.
Take your own advice and stop insulting other religions. If you want tampering, then research your own religion. The quran is NOT identical now as in time past. There is more than enough evidence that proves changes in the quran.
So, do not preach the superiority of Islam. There is not any superiority. Islam is nothing but a bastardization of Judiasm and Christianity melded with enough paganism to excuse the murders, lusts, and other crimes of Muhammad.
Until Islam reaches the point that Islam will live in peace with all other religions without demanding compliance with Islamic law, Islam will continue to be reviled and hated for the perversion that it is. |
| By Rajul, 02-11-10, 08:47 AM |
By Pontotoc Bill,Bill, I have taken time to explain and invite you and other readers to Islam, which, as a Muslim I believe is the only key to eternal prosperity. You have not presented any alternative but are merely showering abuses on the greatest and most influential person that ever lived on earth. If you were a godly person you would have presented your religion, which you believe is a better alternative. Unfortunately for you there is no such religion to match Islam. That is why people like you can only insult. YOU ARE A MEAN PERSON, TOO MEAN TO DIALOGUE WITH. I have no more time for you. |
| By Pontotoc Bill, 02-11-10, 05:15 PM |
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Rajul;185348: Bill, I have taken time to explain and invite you and other readers to Islam, which, as a Muslim I believe is the only key to eternal prosperity. You have not presented any alternative but are merely showering abuses on the greatest and most influential person that ever lived on earth. If you were a godly person you would have presented your religion, which you believe is a better alternative. Unfortunately for you there is no such religion to match Islam. That is why people like you can only insult. YOU ARE A MEAN PERSON, TOO MEAN TO DIALOGUE WITH. I have no more time for you.
You have not explained Islam, nor have you answered the charges I made about Muhammed.
The alternative to Islam? CHRISTIANITY
The greatest and most influential person who ever lived was not Muhammed. It was Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God.
I will agree that there is no religion to match Islam. None can match the depravity, the degradation, the evil of Islam.
Do not be a typical Muslim who runs away. Defend your religion, prove the charges about Muhammed wrong.
My problem is with Muslims who think they have the right to force Islam on the world. If Muslims would actually abide with live and let live, then, things would be good. But Muslims, by and large, do not believe in that. They believe they have the right to force it down our throats.
Be a man and defend your religion. |
| By nregistered, 02-11-10, 05:57 PM |
I would rather follow the teachings of Ghandi!
Rajul;185348: Bill, I have taken time to explain and invite you and other readers to Islam, which, as a Muslim I believe is the only key to eternal prosperity. You have not presented any alternative but are merely showering abuses on the greatest and most influential person that ever lived on earth. If you were a godly person you would have presented your religion, which you believe is a better alternative. Unfortunately for you there is no such religion to match Islam. That is why people like you can only insult. YOU ARE A MEAN PERSON, TOO MEAN TO DIALOGUE WITH. I have no more time for you.
Or Buddha!
Both of the two men I just cited preached peace above all else!
Even the teachings of Christ far surpass the teachings or should I say ravings and pronouncements of Mad Mo.
Typical response from the stereotypical Muslims next comes the threats of violence...right. |
| By Ibn Ibrahim, 07-29-10, 07:31 PM |
To the bill the none believerIsmail Al hum dil il Allah , Bill you curse Islam so, but look at what your false faith reveals your women are whores all around and about who profess to be Christians, your men a abomination under the stars lovers of themselves Sodom and Gomorrah would not have bared such shame as America and Europe. Your children kill themselves in the schools your lands and seas polluted from that which you lust for so. Praise be to Allah it is good to praise him! Why will you not see the truth why do you turn away from righteousness. Did the Jews not kill Christ PBUH do they not bleed your finances now so they can grow on stolen soil. We have not killed the prophets of Allah we have not filled Shatans cup full of blood of the innocent. Do you not see the children of Palestine and Afghanistan PBUT. As you have sown must you reap. If I have lied tell me where I have lied if I have deceived tell me where i have deceived. But if I speak the truth you must profess there is no other god but Allah and Muhammad is his prophet PBUH.
Pontotoc Bill;185405: You have not explained Islam, nor have you answered the charges I made about Muhammed.
The alternative to Islam? CHRISTIANITY
The greatest and most influential person who ever lived was not Muhammed. It was Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God.
I will agree that there is no religion to match Islam. None can match the depravity, the degradation, the evil of Islam.
Do not be a typical Muslim who runs away. Defend your religion, prove the charges about Muhammed wrong.
My problem is with Muslims who think they have the right to force Islam on the world. If Muslims would actually abide with live and let live, then, things would be good. But Muslims, by and large, do not believe in that. They believe they have the right to force it down our throats.
Be a man and defend your religion.
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| By Canadian, 07-27-10, 09:25 AM |
How did dress code turn to religious battle and weapons of mass destruction?I am a proud Canadian and in true Canadian fashion a believer in peace and cultural diversity. I think the main theme of this story is a right to wear what you want. I am a man and even in Canada I don’t have the right to dress any way I want for I could be arrested for walking around in public naked. This man is just on the other extreme but should have the same rights to believe in what he wants as long as it does not hurt anyone else in their rights as well. If his wife is fine with wearing the veil then no harm done, if she is against wearing a veil then she has the right to not wear one because she is in a democratic Country. As for what the Qur’an teaches there is nothing in there about woman wearing veils, only that lengthening their dresses and covering there chests will make them a better woman to God. The Qur’an is also the one book complete so any other writing have nothing to do with the word of God. The veil does not come from being a Muslim but from a cultural belief and there is no harm in it if one wants to wear a veil unless at a bank or something that prohibits you from covering your face, I can’t imagine a bank being to happy with me wearing a stocking or balaclava.
At one time in many western cultures husbands were not to thrilled about their wives going out dressed in exposing clothes. As men we cover up more than woman today unless shirtless on a hot day but many establishments still want you to wear a shirt and even have signs like in a 7/11.
As for the rapes of women that dress more provocative by so called Muslim men, these men are definitely not men of God but truly evil as evil prides where one does not expect in she eps clothing. I find that the Qur’an is a book of human rights albeit written for a time long ago and not so geared for 2010 but otherwise has a good message and no where is written about handing down punishments for dress code. Every religion has been corrupted by evil men who use it as a way for themselves to commit murders, rape or molest children just look at the evils in the catholic churches.
The Qur’an also respects other religions like Christianity and Jewish for being books of God and that the Qur’an is only the final book or the latest. It also notes the other profits such as Christ and Moses.
Having a respect for ones Culture, Religion and way of life is the true enlightenment and the only way to not hating each other. A belief in ones superiority only leads to a separation from each the a lesson that the Nazis gave us. |
| By Pontotoc Bill, 07-29-10, 08:48 PM |
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Ibn Ibrahim;217744: Ismail Al hum dil il Allah , Bill you curse Islam so, but look at what your false faith reveals your women are whores all around and about who profess to be Christians, your men a abomination under the stars lovers of themselves Sodom and Gomorrah would not have bared such shame as America and Europe. Your children kill themselves in the schools your lands and seas polluted from that which you lust for so. Praise be to Allah it is good to praise him! Why will you not see the truth why do you turn away from righteousness. Did the Jews not kill Christ PBUH do they not bleed your finances now so they can grow on stolen soil. We have not killed the prophets of Allah we have not filled Shatans cup full of blood of the innocent. Do you not see the children of Palestine and Afghanistan PBUT. As you have sown must you reap. If I have lied tell me where I have lied if I have deceived tell me where i have deceived. But if I speak the truth you must profess there is no other god but Allah and Muhammad is his prophet PBUH.
I profess that there is no other God than the Lord God of the Universise and that Jesus Christ is His Son.
You do not speak the truth, only what you think is the truth since you have been brainwashed by your imams and other religious leaders. They are nothing but liars.
You lie and Islam lies. Jesus Christ was crucified on the cross, died, and was placed in a sealed tomb. He arose from the grave to live again with His Father. Islam lies when it claims Isa is Jesus Christ.
Islam lies when it claims that Muhammed was foretold in the Bible. He wasn’t.
Islam is a false religion, given to Muhammed by an angel. Not Gabriel, but Lucifer. Lucifer is the one who opposes the Lord God in everything. By creating this false religion, Lucifer cast doubt upon man, sowed the seed of discord, and spread the disease of chaos upon the face of the Earth. Lucifer, the Morning Star, claimed to be Gabriel, but was lying as usual, since Lucifer is the Prince of Lies. Lucifer’s other names include Satan and the Devil.
Islam lies (practice taqiyya) about Jews and Christians. Not surprising since the quran is based on lies.
For those who have not heard of taqiyya:
The word “Taqiyya” literally means: “Concealing, precaution, guarding.” It is employed in disguising one’s beliefs, intentions, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions or strategies. In practical terms it is manifested as dissimulation, lying, deceiving, vexing and confounding with the intention of deflecting attention, foiling or pre-emptive blocking. It is currently employed in fending off and neutralising any criticism of Islam or Muslims.
Falsehoods told to prevent the denigration of Islam, to protect oneself, or to promote the cause of Islam are sanctioned in the Qur’an and Sunna, including lying under oath in testimony before a court, deceiving by making distorted statements to the media such as the claim that Islam is a “religion of peace”. A Muslim is even permitted to deny or denounce his faith if, in so doing, he protects or furthers the interests of Islam, so long as he remains faithful to Islam in his heart.
So, Muslim, defend your faith with facts instead of empty words. For your edification, I repeat my charges against Muhammed:
I accuse Muhammad of being:
[FONT=Verdana][FONT=Symbol]· [/FONT]a narcissist[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana][FONT=Symbol]· [/FONT]a misogynist[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana][FONT=Symbol]· [/FONT]a rapist[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana][FONT=Symbol]· [/FONT]a pedophile[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana][FONT=Symbol]· [/FONT]a lecher[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana][FONT=Symbol]· [/FONT]a torturer[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana][FONT=Symbol]· [/FONT]mass murderer[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana][FONT=Symbol]· [/FONT]a cult leader[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana][FONT=Symbol]· [/FONT]an assassin[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana][FONT=Symbol]· [/FONT]a terrorist[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana][FONT=Symbol]· [/FONT]a mad man[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]Any valid proof that he was not? [COLOR=black]Moral relativism and situational ethics are not acceptable for defense.[/COLOR][/FONT]
Care to step up like a man to defend your religion or will you practice taqiyya and lie to me? |
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